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Monday, 29 June 2009
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Did Jesus ever say......?
Mr. Darcy made an interesting observation to me about the substitutionary atonement (the idea that Christ died to pay a debt to God for our sins on our behalf.) It was that he couldn't remember anything that Christ said to God, either in His Last Words or in His great priestly prayer before His arrest, or other prayers, that said anything about paying our debt to God for us.
He said things like 'I pray that "that they may be one, even as we are one." ' And 'forgive them for they know not what they do.' But not, for instance, "I go now to pay you the penalty for their sin and satisfy Your anger against them.'
Can any of you find any of the conversations Christ had with the Father where He talked about paying our debt to God? Or anything that kind of sounds like it? I ask because I am a bit lazy, and also because I'm pretty sure it's not there, so why bother looking.
Monday, 22 June 2009
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A Ransom
Christ was the ransom. We know that. But to whom did He pay that ransom? Most of us learned that Christ paid it to God to appease His wrath. But the church fathers say He paid it to our great enemy, Satan, to buy us back from the slavery we had sold ourselves into.
Just a quick verse or two for you to think about:
Psalm 107
1O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever. 2Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;
Psalm 136
23Who remembered us in our low estate: for his mercy endureth for ever: 24And hath redeemed us from our enemies: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Why is this on a religious abuse site? Because I think our view of God powerfully affects how we behave to one another. It is human nature to emulate what we worship. We learn God's attributes and try to follow in His pattern. If God is just, we try to be just. If God is truthful, we try to be truthful.
On the other hand, if one of God's attributes is that He holds onto anger against His children when they do wrong and cannot let it go until a great payment has been made to Him, then isn't it natural for our religious leaders to tend to take on harsh judgmentalism? Isn't it natural for them to tend to magnify our sins rather than overlook them, and for them to demand great, visible shows of penance for our sins. Isn't it natural for them to tend to hang onto our sins until they feel 'satisfied.'? In a sense, I can hardly blame them.
I remember the reaction of one very judgmental man to someone's sin. The sinner's friend said to him, "Look at the situation he was in. Can't you kind of understand how he ended up doing what he did?" The judgmental man went ballistic. He was terrified of the idea of softening somone's offense. He had to be as harsh toward the sin as he could possible be, because he was afraid that he wouldn't be in agreement with God if he went easy on anyone's errors. That's what you get if take to heart the idea that God is so offended by our sin that He cannot even look at us until we're covered over by the infinite suffering of Christ.
But if our God is a forgiving God, a God who has pity on His children and goes on a great heroic quest to rescue then from their captors, well then, think how differently our religious leaders would act. They would tend to be gentle, patient, heroic themselves. They would forgive sins instead of magnifying them. They would encourage us instead of beating us down. Here's another Psalm passage for you:
Psalm 25:7:
7Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.Have a great week.
Thursday, 18 June 2009
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The Atonement--A Legal Arrangement?
The first place I want to start in our discussion of the atonement is with the idea that most of us have been taught--that the atonement is a legal arrangement made between God and Christ and us. The teaching goes like this (please correct me if I get it wrong.):
We are all sinners and stand condemned in God's sight.
This lays a debt on us that is too great for us to pay.
God cannot forgive us without payment of this debt.
Christ offers to pay the debt for us, and does so on the cross.
Christ's death is accepted as payment on our behalf.
God can now forgive us.The church fathers didn't see it that way at all, and neither did the great reformer Luther. Luther saw the law as an insurmountable obstactle to our relationship with God. It can never lead us to salvation (as I'm sure you know Paul teaches as well.) So if law can never lead us to salvation, how can a legal arrangement between Christ, the Father and us lead us to salvation? Aren't we still caught and enthralled to the law? I think so!
The Christus Victor idea of atonement tells a different story. It tells us that God looked down on us with love and pity, seeing our enslavement to Satan, sin and death, and knew that the law was just a snare to us--unable to lead us out of bondage. Unwilling to leave us in that condition, He broke into the word. The Divine entered the creation and took on the form of broken humanity to do battle with our captor, Satan. He was taken by him even into death, from whence He broke open the tomb and broke the chains that Satan ensnared us with and with which he even tried to put around the Holy One. He defeated Satan and the grave once and for all. He didn't follow the law, he transcended it, as only God can. He showed us what the law was for: to teach us what Perfect Love looks like.
Now we are free from the need to earn our salvation. We can follow His law of love, since now we know what it looks like and that it is powerful even over death. If we were saved by a legal arrangement, as most of us have believed, no wonder we are so easily entrapped by abusive religious authorities. If we are saved by law, they can hold the law over our heads. They can threaten us with judgment as 'representatives' of God. Then can set laws for us and mediate between us and God. And we let them.
But, if we recognize that we are saved by a heroic act of God, a God who does not condemn us but sacrifices Himself for our rescue, then who can put us in bondage again? Who can threaten us? God took sword in hand and slew our enemy--if we know that, then nobody can enslave us ever again. Nobody can tells us "But you are imperfect and sinful, you may not really be saved," because our sinfulness did not put God off before--it caused Him to pity us and rescue us.
Nothing can separate us from the love of such a God.
Thank God and enjoy His freedom.
Saturday, 13 June 2009
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What or Who did Christ Save us From?
(This is what I've been up to while I've been away from Xanga.)
We have probably all learned that our sins are so black that God can't look on us or forgive us, so Christ had to die to pay our debt of sin to God. Christ had to cover us up so God wouldn't be offended by our sins when he looked at us.
This is an orthodox, acceptable, well-thought-out view of the atonement, but it's not the only one. The early church fathers give us a different view of the atonement, one that predates the 'substitutionary atonement' doctrine by hundreds of years, and I'd like to share a bit of it with you. I do this because all of us who have suffered from religious abuse have had ideas like the one above held over our heads by our abusers. They scared us with images of a wrathful, displeased God. They reminded us what miserable, sinful beings we are. They basically kicked the stuffing out of us when we tried to defend ourselves, because, after all, if we're so bad Christ had to be killed to pay God off to save us, then we have no business defending ourselves at all.
The early church fathers had a different view. It was victorious, triumphant, joyful, exciting, dramatic and freeing, and all of this without minimizing the reality of sin and our need for salvation. They just see salvation differently. Their idea of salvation is more like what we mean when we say "I was saved from a fire" or "I was saved from kidnappers." This is difficult stuff and we'll have to have many conversations about it to flush it all out. I look forward to it.
Let's look at Mark 3:27: "No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house. "
Here's what Irenaeus has to say about this passage (thanks to Mr. Darcy for finding this commentary):
The adversary enticed humanity to transgress our maker’s law, and thereby got us into his clutches.22 Yet his power consisted only in tempting the human will toward trespass and apostasy. With these chains he bound up the human will.23 This is why in the economy of salvation it was necessary that he be bound with the same chains by which he had bound humanity.24 It would be through a man that humanity would be set free to return to the Lord,25 leaving the adversary in those bonds by which he himself had been fettered, that is, sin. For when Satan is bound, man is set free; since “none can enter a strong man’s house and spoil his goods, unless he first bind the strong man himself.”26 It is in this way that he became exposed as the opposer of the Word who made all things, and subdued by his command. The new man showed him to be a fugitive from the law, and an apostate from God. He then was securely bound as a fugitive, and his goods27 hauled away. These goods are those who had been in bondage, whom he had unjustly used for his own purposes. So it was a just means by which he was led captive, who had led humanity into captivity unjustly. In this way humanity was rescued from the clutches of its possessor by the tender mercy of God the Father, who had compassion on his own handiwork, and gave to it salvation, restoring it by means of the Word, Christ, in order that humanity might learn from this actual event that they receive incorruptibility not of themselves, but by the free gift of God.28 Against Heresies 5.21.3.29
I'd like to talk about this further in another post.
22 22 Cf. Gen 3:1–6.
23 23 At issue is why in the plan of salvation it was necessary that the devil be bound up by one truly human.
24 24 Namely, through his own twisted willing.
25 25 Cf. Rom 5:18.
26 26 Mt 12:29; Mk 3:27.
27 27 Humanity in bondage.
28 28 Cf. Rom 5:16.
29 29 AHR 2:383–84; ANF 1:550**. As Satan had unfairly led humanity into bondage of the will, so the God-man had fairly bound up the will of the strong man.
Tuesday, 23 December 2008
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Christmas is the End of Fear
One of the weapons religious manipulators use to keep us under their domination is fear--specifically fear that this world is the devil's and one false step can damn us and the best thing we can do is to huddle very closely together under the authority of a strict legalist and do whatever he says in order to keep safe.
Not true.
As Mr. Darcy wrote to a friend recently:
This is the Christmas season: the incarnation is the eternal proof that God will do whatever is needed to save us from darkness. No action was too bold (God become man), no price was too great (and dying under torture), no reversal of the natural order (life from a virgin womb at the beginning, and new life from a virgin tomb at the end) was too difficult.
He will not abandon the world to tyranny and poverty. I'm sure.As the Angel said: "Fear not."
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